Shocking, more people have got killed with something that has to do with rap music. Right after the guy from D12 gets killed, and who is has been found out, actually shot the first shot at someone else before he got killed by someone who was defending the guy that the rapper was trying to shoot. What is it with these rappers? Do you see people killing each other at a Toby Keith concert or a Nine Inch Nails concert? Hell no, you sure don't. I just saw someone talking about this type of stuff on tv, about how if we do something about it, it would be "cultural profiling"- which is something that should be illegal.
They were talking about how some colleges and other places shouldn't have rappers or hip-hop artists playing at their functions. I understand this, really I do. I would say the same thing is people were killing each other outside of Dixie Chicks concerts, or any other country music artist. If it seemed to happen to a certain group all of the time, you would see a pattern there, you know? And it's not just black people, there's lots of different kinds of rappers and hip-hop artists. It just happens that most of them tend to be black, which is the truth, so there's nothing wrong with that.
The point is, why the hell are people idolizing these violent people? And why do these rappers glorify the "thug life" in their music? Don't they know that the idiots that listen to them are very impressionable? 50 Cent is always talking about how he's been shot 9 times or some shit, and how he was such a bad ass gangsta. Yeah, fine example you're setting there, "Fiddy". Will Smith has it right, for sure. He doesn't cuss in his music, doesn't talk about killing and "bitches and ho's", and usually has a pretty positive message.
I know that everything is covered with free speech and all, but damn people, use some common sense when using the rights that you've been given. Look at what you're teaching the kids out there, you really are influencing them. There is so much violence and shit in the world today, do we really need to encourage and glorify this type of shit? All I see when watching certain types of videos are asses and boobs, making women pieces of meat. Some of the "music" out there can be so degrading towards women. I can't believe some of those whores actually dance in those videos, no sense of pride there, at all!
Anyway, this wasn't supposed to be a whole rant about rap and hip-hop, but that's kinda what it turned into. I guess that I could mention some Surreal Life stuff, since I just got done watching that. I always see things in my site referrers about "Andrea Lowell porn (or) blowjob", and people asking if Sherman Hemsley is gay (whaaat?), and people wanting to know how big Alexis Arquettes penis is. If anyone finds out about the latter two, give me a yell so I can put it on here for everyone to see, since people keep coming here for those things. Heh heh, I don't care about that whore and her blowjobs.
In other news fuck this motherfucker, he doesn't even deserve a trial. He's even going against his lawyers, who are trying to say that he was mentally ill, which is utter bullshit. I don't care if he is trying to be a martyr, he'll see what's up when he goes to wherever it is, and sees that it isn't all virgins and flowers and sunshine. We should still have death by firing squad, just for people like him. I know that the USA is built on certain values, and this man should blah blah yadda yadda, but fuck him and his rights. The more I hear about this guy, the more I want them to just sniper his ass.
And what in the fuck is this all about? To Hell in a handbasket, I tell you.
Edit: As I got done posting this, I noticed this article, which is also worth a look. About the "lengthening list of murdered rappers".
They were talking about how some colleges and other places shouldn't have rappers or hip-hop artists playing at their functions. I understand this, really I do. I would say the same thing is people were killing each other outside of Dixie Chicks concerts, or any other country music artist. If it seemed to happen to a certain group all of the time, you would see a pattern there, you know? And it's not just black people, there's lots of different kinds of rappers and hip-hop artists. It just happens that most of them tend to be black, which is the truth, so there's nothing wrong with that.
The point is, why the hell are people idolizing these violent people? And why do these rappers glorify the "thug life" in their music? Don't they know that the idiots that listen to them are very impressionable? 50 Cent is always talking about how he's been shot 9 times or some shit, and how he was such a bad ass gangsta. Yeah, fine example you're setting there, "Fiddy". Will Smith has it right, for sure. He doesn't cuss in his music, doesn't talk about killing and "bitches and ho's", and usually has a pretty positive message.
I know that everything is covered with free speech and all, but damn people, use some common sense when using the rights that you've been given. Look at what you're teaching the kids out there, you really are influencing them. There is so much violence and shit in the world today, do we really need to encourage and glorify this type of shit? All I see when watching certain types of videos are asses and boobs, making women pieces of meat. Some of the "music" out there can be so degrading towards women. I can't believe some of those whores actually dance in those videos, no sense of pride there, at all!
Anyway, this wasn't supposed to be a whole rant about rap and hip-hop, but that's kinda what it turned into. I guess that I could mention some Surreal Life stuff, since I just got done watching that. I always see things in my site referrers about "Andrea Lowell porn (or) blowjob", and people asking if Sherman Hemsley is gay (whaaat?), and people wanting to know how big Alexis Arquettes penis is. If anyone finds out about the latter two, give me a yell so I can put it on here for everyone to see, since people keep coming here for those things. Heh heh, I don't care about that whore and her blowjobs.
In other news fuck this motherfucker, he doesn't even deserve a trial. He's even going against his lawyers, who are trying to say that he was mentally ill, which is utter bullshit. I don't care if he is trying to be a martyr, he'll see what's up when he goes to wherever it is, and sees that it isn't all virgins and flowers and sunshine. We should still have death by firing squad, just for people like him. I know that the USA is built on certain values, and this man should blah blah yadda yadda, but fuck him and his rights. The more I hear about this guy, the more I want them to just sniper his ass.
And what in the fuck is this all about? To Hell in a handbasket, I tell you.
Edit: As I got done posting this, I noticed this article, which is also worth a look. About the "lengthening list of murdered rappers".
posted by Unknown @ 2:06 AM
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I must, I must.
Rap has very little to do with these murders. I'm sure it may at times cause people to act differently, but I can promise you that all music has various effects on various people.
If someone is listening to N.W.A.and goes out and shoots someone because of it, they have something wrong with them that rap is not involved with. They are mentally imbalaced.
It is not that rap glorified the 'thug' lifestyle, which I agree it does and whilst I don't believe that is a positive influence at times, it certainly hasn't increased murder rates.
You must examine the culture from which rap and hip hop claim their lineage. Poor, underprivileged people who come from slums and ghettoes the likes of which you have never experienced or seen.
These are the people that America has forgotten, and due to social inequities bestowed on them by narrow minded authoritarian figures, they have had to fight for everything they have. I do not condone the actions of gang members, drug dealers, etc. but I can say with much certainty that I have never walked in their shoes, nor have you.
Rap has nothing to do with it, it's all about social standards. A gap that you will never know.
People write songs about where they are from, their own worlds. Country stars write of going hunting or women who left them, Rock Stars write about being pissed off, and rappers write about how they were shot whilst illegally making money to feed their children.
Now, people who identify with a certain kind of music are the fans, correct? And these artists, who are generally from urban areas and formerly of illegal careers have fans who are from urban areas and have illegal careers. Thusly, it doesn't matter if they're outside of a nightclub/concert or on the corner of Krenshaw in Compton, they will shoot each other.
If rap were around or if rap weren't, people would still get shot.
As far as making women into pieces of meat, I've already shown you your own contradictions on that matter.
Next.
To say that Moussaoui should be deprived of his right to a fair trial is, well, frankly, I'll put it like this: To deprive him of this freedom is to roughly have the same philosophy that he and his terrorist cohorts had the day they bombed the world trade center.
This right is one that we are fighting a war to protect, this is the right that thousands died on 9/11 simply because of that freedom that the Muslim extremists didn't believe we deserved or was right. You, in the statement 'fuck him and his rights' have attained the same ideas as Al Queda has.
Frankly, as an American, you should be somewhat ashamed by that.
Goodnight.
Interesting comment, very well written. However, I don't think that just because someone grew up in the ghetto, that it gives them a right to be thugs. A person has to rise about what has been dealt to them. Just because I live in a redneck part of Ohio, I'm not running around screaming "Git-r-done!" every 5 minutes, while my 8 children are walking behind me, with a welfare boyfriend that won't work.
There are a lot of people from the ghetto that are stockbrokers and lawyers now. They knew to take the high road and not cop out of the whole "I'm just a victim of society" thing, which is utter bullshit.
As for Moussaoui: Give him what he wants. He is fucking with his lawyers and doesn't want to be helped. He had info about a horrible thing, he was going to do the horrible thing, he could still arrange to do something like that. Why waste all of the time and money on this? There is enough evidence, end of case. I know that I'm being a little irrational, but as an American, I am fucking pissed off!
To say one can rise above the hand dealt to them by life is true at times, yes.
To say that you don't have to be a thug if you live in the ghetto is true, yes.
To say that it is simple to rise above and that there are no victims of society is naive and false. You complain often about your station in life, your job, your money flow, etc. If it were so simple to change it, why don't you?
There are social injustices. Everyone is racist. Even you. If you believe that there aren't social injustices in the way that people percieve blacks and those who live in low-income neighborhoods and ghettoes, go to Colombus and drive down Cleveland Ave. with your doors unlocked. You wouldn't do it in a million years because you assume it is dangerous and bad news. Yes, precedents have been set in such areas, but, people attach that stigma to poor minorities and are therefore repressed and lack the substantially greater opportunities you've had as a white girl.
As far as Moussaoui goes, I don't have any problem with him dying, but it's terribly ignorant of what America truely is to say that he should be 'sniped' outright.
Ah, so you know about Columbus? I have driven down Cleveland Ave. The only reason my doors were locked was because my car automatically locks them when I put it into drive. Before that, when I had other cars, I didn't lock the doors on certain streets.
As a matter of fact, I actually lived on Alum Creek road for a short period of time, until I figured out that my roomate wasn't going to be able to keep up his end of the bargain. Yep, at those apartments, the series of big brick ones. We were the only white people there besides another couple.
I'm not afraid of black people. One of my best friends is black. I have slept with black men. I also don't like rednecks and good 'ol boys.
I know that it isn't easy to "rise above", as I say. If my situation was worse, I would be more motivated though, which makes me think that since they're in a bad situation- they would be more motivated.
I understand what you're saying, and I like the different point of view. But don't think that you know exactly what I think or what I feel, simply based on some heated comments that I have made on here. It's a little bit deeper than that. I should write here more often than I do, so maybe everything would be a little more clear.
I am pretty sure the crazy guy ignoring his lawyers is in search of martyrdom.
If you kill someone who wants to die, who could you possibly be detering? Even if you foul-up, over sleep and miss your suicide mission don't worry Uncle Sam will make sure you get your free pass to heaven.
A man was stabbed to death at Altamont, a rock show.
Jerry Lee Lewis show his bassist.
Sid Vicious killed his wife.
Phil Spector is currently under invesigation for murder.
Dimebag Darrell was shot and killed while playing a show.
A member of the black metal band Mayhem killed himself, another member ate his brains. Some time later, another member of that band killed the fellow that at the other fellows brains.
That's rock and roll and they're all crackers. I'm sure I could find more. Give me some time.
I am sure some dumb ass went and read a Spider-Man comic and thought he could stick to walls before falling to his death.
Should we be pissed at Stan Lee?
No, we should be pissed at parents for raising dumb ass kids.
It just doesn't seem that the ratio is quite as high for rock, country, and anything else put together- as it is for rap/hip-hop. That's all I'm saying.
Are you the same "Anon" that has been posting? I can't keep track of all of the Anon people! You guys need to start leaving a name or url or something. I never know who I'm talking to, not even a little clue.
And you're mostly right, it is mostly the parents fault. But you can only teach kids so much, then they fall to outside influences, no matter how well they have been taught. It's their life, and they need to be held 100% accountable for it.
I'm not the same Anonymous as before.
He does bring up good points though.
People may rise above their position in life from time to time, and more so in TV which is probably where you get your ideas, but it doesn't happen all that often.
Mama is crackhead, daddy isn't around.
No positive influence at all.
It doesn't all work like Walker Texas Ranger in the real world.
I'm not even getting that from tv or anything. I'm getting it from the fact that a person has to be responsible for their own life. You can't just say "Poor me, I grew up in a crack house, I guess that I'll be a crack dealer too". You have to do something better, be a better person.
Ugh, I hate Walker Texas Ranger. :P
I'm the first and second anonymous poster, have posted anonymously before as well, but not responsible or anything for the comments afterwards.. (Quite drunk at the moment, forgive spelling/grammatical errors)
Are you honestly saying that someone who has grown up in a crackhouse has no excuse for not changing themselves into a stockbroker/lawyer/doctor/occupation of considerable success?
-asdf (this is what I'll go by to identify myself, how about that?)
Welcome back, Mr. asdf. You're the poster that I am interested in, you always seem to have a good argument.
I'm saying that it is up to a person to better themselves. If someone grew up dumb as hell, no they can't get a job as a doctor or whatever. However, that still doesn't mean that they can't stay away from selling drugs and gangbangin. Or being on welfare and joining the KKK or whatever.
I'm not saying that everyone can do anything they want, but if they are smart enough, they certainly can. But even if they aren't the sharpest tool in the shed, they can still do better than being a low life criminal or a welfare bum. That's all I'm saying.
So, Mr. asdf, are you from Ohio? Or do you just travel here? You seemed to have great knowledge of Columbus.
My main complaint is that you feel that total reversals in peoples lives are as easy as snapping a finger. If you're overweight, lose it. If you smoke and don't want to, quit. If you are subjected to social inequities, rise above. These are things that, for the vast majority of people, can't be solved so simply.
You have to understand that if you were raised in a crackhouse, your father a pimp and your mother one of his working girls, your views of right and wrong/acceptable and unacceptable etc. are quite askew by the time you reach decision making age. Thus making it a greater challenge to break all your years of learning the world and its workings. I'm sure that deep down people understand that what they do isn't 'okay', but I feel that they believe they haven't any other options open to them.
To answer your other question, don't live in Ohio, no, I'm from the other side of the river. I can't say I know alot about Columbus, but, I've been there enough times to know what is what and have had a friend or two from there.
I didn't ever say that anything was ever easy or instant. A person can make up their minds to do something, they have the ability to, though the plan might take a while to get rolling.
Hmm, from WV... close to here?
GREAT OP/ED. I enjoyed your commentary and your responses.
At my blog...people make up names all the time, so ya can kinda keep them straight. Perhaps your readers could do the same.
Noticed you mentioned several country artists. You may enjoy my blog, especially if you are from the Cleveland area. All the hottest Cleveland country bands banter there...Lawless, Laredo, Curtis Brothers, Whiskey Bent and Backwoods. Stop by anytime!
Speaking of country music. I was under the impression there were a million country songs about murder.
Ah yes, but how often do you actually see them commiting murder? I can just see it now, Toby Keith going up to one of the guys fromthe group Big & Rich (Save a horse, ride a cowboy):
Toby: Yew and over and killed muh dooog!
Big & Rich guy: She had it comin!
-Toby shoots Big & Rich guy-
It appears that you just proved my point. There are a fair share of murders and what-have-you in country music history, yes, but you don't hear about it much nowadays.
There are also tons of songs about murder, death, cheating, alcohol abuse, immorality, etc. aren't there? But, suprisingly, the country music community is somewhat devoid serious crime. This proves the point that song content does not affect people, and therefore negates the idea that rap causes violence.
-Asdf
No, I think that it proves that the type of people that listen to the different types of music are more or less prone to commit the crimes. The music seems to be more violent in rap, dealing with gangs and murder. You don't see any mainstream country artists talking about being in the KKK or anything. But you hear rappers talking about the Bloods/Crips all of the time.
Hey, just wanted to say nice site, pretty attractive, especially the pic at the top caught my eye.
Rappers talking about Bloods and Crips? Is it 1995 again?
Anyhow, you are pretty much saying you don't like black people right? They are the folks that made this evil music. Maybe a law can be passed that will prohibit black people from making or listening to music. Maybe that will work. Maybe we can have different schools and churches for them too. Then we wouldn't have a problem.
Oh, wait. You fucked a black dude. I guess you aren't racist. It's like slave owners that fucked their slaves. How could they hate black people when they're fucking them. Maybe we should get slavery back too. We can just use them when we need them for something then put them away so they don't cause trouble.
-not asdf
Did I ever say anything about only black people listen to rap and only white people listen to country? No, I don't think so. It isn't wholly a race thing, it's a culture and influence thing.
If you weren't such a prick about it, I might debate you more, and spend more time on my rebuttle. However, people like you aren't even worth the time to argue with, because you'll never see or accept my point.
Now to country music not being as violent.
Johnny Paycheck went to prison for shooting a dude in the head. David Allan Coe supposedly killed a man while he was in prison. Merle Haggard was in juvenile detention centers and prison for robbery. These aren't nobodies either, they're big names in country music. All these people sang about murder and crime. So did many others.
You seem to be very uninformed about both of these types of music. I suspect you're just trying to excuse your racism by hiding it under complaints about a predominately black art form.
When it is pointed out to you that country music was once just as violent you start spouting off about Big and Rich. That is neither here nor there, no one is talking about violence in modern day country music. I'm sure most people would agree that the shit coming out of Nashville these days isn't even country music. That will probably happen to hip-hip one day. It will become pointless drivel for soccer moms like country music did.
Once upon a time, country music was the real deal. It delt with the underbelly of this world the way hip-hop does now. If you actually listened to both of these styles of music, you would realize they're very similar. Some people promote it, some people criticize it. Most though, in both genres, are telling stories. That's it. Just stories. Hearing a story does not make sane people do irrational things. People that are not sane need no excuse to do irrational things.
-not asdf
The previous post was posted before I saw that you replied.
I see your point.
You don't believe in freedom and equality.
I will never accept that though.
-not asdf
Johnny Paycheck- How long ago was that?
David Allan Coe- SUPPOSEDLY.
Merle Haggard- Juvenile detention centers.
Yeah, those are really good examples, so many of them as well!
There is nothing more here than what I state. No hidden motive or agenda. I feel what I feel, and I tell it the way that it is. If I was racist, I would say so, but I'm not. Give it up.
Freedom and equality? It is up to every person to do that for themselves. To set an example, to be what they can, to be the best of humankind. A lot of people don't even try, but some people go the opposite direction, and do everything that they know is wrong. That takes no color, that takes no culture. Everyone can be bad, but everyone could also be good. It's the influence and the person...
And no more Anon shit, post coming soon about that. I'm out here standing up for what I believe in, you know who I am, so everyone else needs to take responsibility for what they are saying too.
Juvie when he was a kid, 15 years in San Quentin as an adult. That's 15 years. How many famous, let me rephrase that, how many legendary rap artists did 15 years.
I'm sure if I did some research I could find more, but that's just off the top of my head. In 30 years, do you think youngsters will know anything about violence in rap outside of Biggie and Tupac, doubt it.
And you are being anonymous too. This is the web, we are all being anonymous, I wouldn't be suprised if Serra wasn't even your real name.
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